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                      The ROI of talking to customers
                      23 de June, 2026

                      What’s the ideal DISC for a PM? And for a head of product?

                      30 de June, 2026

                      Last week I was with a Gyaco client, working on the Product Maturity Program. In one of the conversations, with the head of HR, we talked about a few people in the organization who could be moved into a product management role.

                      At one point in the conversation, she pulled up the DISC assessments of those people on screen and asked which DISC profile indicates that someone will perform well as a PM.

                      DISC is a personality test widely used by HR teams, organizing behavioral tendencies into four axes: Dominance, Influence, Steadiness, and Compliance. It traces back to studies by psychologist Marston in the 1920s, and the test, in the format we use today, was created by Walter Clarke in 1945.

                      • D (Dominance) measures how much a person seeks control, decisiveness, and quick results.
                      • I (Influence) measures how much they seek connection, enthusiasm, and persuasion.
                      • S (Steadiness) measures how much they seek consistency, patience, and cooperation.
                      • C (Compliance) measures how much they seek precision, structure, and rules.

                      Most people combine the four axes in different proportions, and the result shows which tendency carries more weight in day to day work.

                      Before answering what the best DISC profile for a product manager is, an important caveat: DISC doesn’t predict performance. It describes a behavioral tendency, not a competency.

                      A person with any combination of D, I, S, and C can be a good PM. What DISC shows is where the effort will be smaller and where it will be greater, and that already helps with a career decision and a development plan.

                      A PM lives on influence without formal authority. The person doesn’t manage anyone and needs to convince engineering, design, sales, CS to follow a direction. That requires plenty of I, because I is what sustains the ability to evangelize ideas and keep the team engaged around a vision.

                      A PM also lives on discovery. Listening to customers, tolerating ambiguity, resisting the urge to jump into building a solution before understanding the problem. That calls for S. Without S, the natural tendency is to skip listening and go straight to execution.

                      C comes in through analytical rigor and prioritization criteria. D matters too, just in a smaller dose than common sense expects. Decision making without formal authority, when it comes from very high D without I to back it up, tends to generate friction rather than buy-in.

                      In short, for a PM, it makes sense to look for moderate D, high I, moderate to high S, and moderate C.

                      For someone who will act as a head of product, the game changes. The scope becomes organizational. Vision, negotiation between leaders, prioritization trade-offs across squads, structural decisions that affect many people at once. That requires more D than an individual PM needs, because decision making at scale demands comfort with confrontation.

                      I remains important, and sometimes even more important, because a large part of a head’s work is communicating vision to the whole company, to the board, to investors. C is still relevant, but with less weight than for a PM, since a head works less in the operational detail.

                      The point that trips up a head the most is low S combined with high D. Whoever leads people needs to run 1:1s, develop PMs, retain talent, give hard feedback without destroying trust. High D without S solves the problem but loses the team along the way.

                      In other words, for a head of product, it makes sense to look for high D, high I, moderate to high S, and low to moderate C.

                      DISC, besides helping assess who is best suited for the role, should also be used to help develop people. For example, a PM with low I benefits from deliberate training on how to communicate ideas and influence people. A head with low S benefits from a fixed 1:1 ritual and from practicing empathy.

                      To close with a concrete example: I took the test on 123test.com, and here’s my DISC. D44, I15, S13, C28. Decisiveness and rigor seem to come naturally to me. Influence and listening, on the other hand, require deliberate effort, even after years as a CPO at large companies. Today, working as an advisor to companies and as a PM at ReveLumi, I still keep putting energy into my I and my S.

                      DISC doesn’t choose who becomes a PM or a head. It shows where you’ll need more discipline to develop what doesn’t come for free.

                      If you’re considering bringing someone from another area in to be a PM, or if you yourself are considering that career move, my recommendation is to look at the DISC profile expected of a PM and assess the need to develop those soft skills, in addition to the hard skills needed to be a PM, which you can learn in market courses on product management.

                      To develop those soft skills, what I recommend is deliberate practice with constant feedback. Courses won’t help much here. Look for mentorship from someone strong exactly where you are weak. It can be your manager or someone from another area of the company, who will be following you day to day, or someone from the market, who won’t follow your daily work but can bring an outside view. Expose yourself to situations you know are necessary but that make you uncomfortable: presenting to different audiences, conversations with customers, among others. Soft skills develop by doing, by failing, and by adjusting, with someone from the outside observing what you yourself can’t see.

                      Summary

                      • A person with any combination of D, I, S, and C can be a good PM.
                      • What DISC shows is where the effort will be smaller and where it will be greater, and that already helps with a career decision and a development plan.
                      • For a PM, it makes sense to look for moderate D, high I, moderate to high S, and moderate C.
                      • For a head of product, it makes sense to look for high D, high I, moderate to high S, and low to moderate C.
                      • DISC doesn’t choose who becomes a PM or a head. It shows where you’ll need more discipline to develop the soft skills that don’t come for free.
                      • Soft skills develop through deliberate practice and mentorship, not through courses.

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